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UFC 104
October 24, 2009
Staples Center,
Los Angeles
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saw this coming a mile away
@andrew – Holy crap. Yoshida needs to retire. He was hoping Johnson would just give him a limb. Bad knock out.
not funny
why even allow someone 6 pounds over the limit at weight ins to fight?
And then he acts like he’s the shits when he just overpowered a much smaller oponent.
+ early stopage, yoshida was not out, that comentatot is just trying to make the ref/ufc look legimate, but it was bullshit.
the extra 6 pounds wouldn’t have made a difference. Anthony Johnson is a great fighter and i cant wait to see him face GSP. hopefully next year it should happen.
@madona – bullshit stoppage? yoshida is coming off the knockout of the century by koscheck, johnson would have only hurt him, yoshida doesnt stand a chance against the guys at the top of 170
@madona
It was a legitimate stoppage. Yoshida wasn’t asleep, but considering the last 10 seconds before the end of the stoppage, he was just gonna end up sustaining more brain damage if the ref didn’t keep Johnson from jumping on him.
HAHAHAHA…madona must be Japanese
Yeah, the extra 6 pounds prob wouldn’t have made a difference. But @ the same time, fighters need to be severely penalized for not making weight. Gina Carano’s fights have all been jokes, b/c I think her weight actually HAS made a difference in her fights (until cyborg). But I think forfeits should be in order for athletes who don’t make weight from now on. Then there will never be a question as to whether the extra 6 pounds makes a difference from now on or not b/c athletes will be sure as hell that they’ll make weight come fight day. Make it happen!
@wth – Thank you, I don’t know what the fuck these people are thinking that 6 pounds doesn’t make a difference, 6 pounds is huge against your opponent when nowadays these guys naturally walk around close to 200 or more pounds.
I don’t know what the hell was up with this cards fighters, but too many of them didn’t make weight. Of course fighters will fight anyway if their opponent comes in over and they both agree. There are penalties for not making the weight but they should be more severe. Obviously you can’t cancel the fights where the fighters don’t make the weight, because this card would’ve been in jeopardy, but you also have to consider the health and fairness to your opponent.
Yes, Johnson would’ve beaten Yoshida anyway and I look forward to him working his way up to GSP land, but if you can’t make weight, then you have to consider moving up to the next class, because he’s another “BIG” 170 pounder.
this was the most exciting fight ALL night
Video quality stinks, why even post it?
anyone who didnt think Johnson was going to win against yoshida is a complete moron lol
Excellent call by Mazzagatti who sometimes gets (rightful) stick for early stoppages. If Johnson doesnt get a shot at Koschek next there is no justice…
yo not even the weight difference but have u seen the 8 inch reach difference? thats what got him the KO and yes they shouldnt have fought if they dont meet standard req for a fight.
@wth – doesn’t the heavy fighter have to be excepted by the other fighter? i think they have the option to except or not. if i’m wrong someone tell me. then i can be pist about things like that.
Johnson looks like a LHW… Yoshida looks like LW…
Has there ever been a fighter from Japan do well in the UFC or even hold a belt?
Anthony Johsnon VS Josh Koscheck is set for UFC 106. Hopefully the winner of that fight, wich is guaranteed Johnson, will get a shot at GSP after the winner of Swick/Hardy. Johnson or Swick are the 2 people I see beating GSP. GSPs weakness is stand up now, since he got KOd by Matt Serra, its like hes scared to stand up and exchange, he just takes you down and lays on you now. Johnson and Swick both have incredibly fast hands with great KO power, Plus Johnson has great wrestling and Swick has great BJJ. GSP VS either of those 2 guys would make for one hell of a fight though.
Why should Johnson fight Kosh? That would be a waste of talent. Johnson deserves a shot at a higher caliber fighter or at least the title shot.
@PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE – bro are u serious? you are so biased in this comment its not even funny, do u honestly think yoshida would ave a chance against johnson even if he did make weight? seriously? go watch some of his old fights first then come back and make another comment apologizing for insulting anthony johnson
@will – The only thing I’ll apologize for is that I’m sorry you’re reading comprehension skills are less than that of which one might consider “BASIC”. Obviously your short attention span and eagerness to respond to my post, it’s clear (for whatever reason) that you only read the first few sentences.
My criticism of Johnson not making weight is a thought that I would share against any fighter who doesn’t make weight, especially when it’s so evident (size wise) in the fight and the conclusion is the same by the end of the contest. Not withstanding others who have faced the same situation, this was also the case in the Matt Huges fight against Thiago Alves.
Your opponent had to sacrifice during his or her training camp, as should the other fighter, PERIOD.
With all that being said, if you’re attention hasn’t been diverted by some insect crawling on your closet door by now, I clearly said that “Johnson would’ve beaten Yoshida anyway (meaning if he made weight), and I look forward to him (meaning Johnson) making his way up to GSP land”.
And talking about being biased, your ludicrous question and consequent ascertation of Josh Koscheck not being a high caliber fighter for Johnson to face off with, is quite entertaining to say the least, if not ignorant bliss. I personally have never liked Koscheck ever since his appearance on Ultimate Fighter, however I can clearly admit that he’s a top 10 fighter and has evolved into a very dangerous opponent for anyone, including Johnson. Josh is a consensus top 10 welterweight by every publication and legitimate MMA website, but of course, nobody is as knowledgeable in the sport as Will.
Hahahaha Pre-emptive strike probaly just sat down with a dictionary and looked up big words for the last hour and a half just to make a point! Rage! Will is passionate about Anthony, but im glad Pre-empative strike took time out of his day to be a total dick and punish him for his quick fingers. Who puts Basic in quotations marks? Your like the Tito Ortiz of commenters. Screw you man. You said “ludicrous question and consequent ascertation” hahaha which makes you look as you would say : a pompous ass or as i would say A TOTAL DICK.
@Kyle – Let me get this straight, after reading my post, you consider some of the contents as having “big words”?! LOL!!!!!
Oh please, just because you needed to look up some of the words in order to grasp the meaning of my response regarding Will, don’t blame me for your less than 3rd grade reading level. I’m reading my post again and I can’t for the life of me figure out which words puzzle you. If you need a tutor while posting on this website, then maybe you should ask me politely and I’ll try to get someone from grade school to type you a seperate reply so you don’t feel so left out.
As for your comment about Will being passionate about Johnson (I guess you know him personally), my retort has nothing to do with his passion for a fighter, but simply (obviously reading comprehension befalls you as well), he thought I was implying that Anthony wouldn’t have won if he had in fact made weight, which is furthest from the truth, I too am excited about “Rumble” fighting top 10 competition and I thought Yoshida never had a chance whether Johnson made weight or not.
Damn, I still can’t believe you said “big words”, that’s just sad
Hopefully your from some third world country and just haven’t laughably mastered the English language, but more than likely, you’re probably part of America’s rising percentage of the illiterate.
6 pounds will never make that big of a decision trust me. Anthony is just a naturally big guy. He walks around at 220. As far as him being punished and forfeited, he didn’t receive ANY money, and they fought because Yoshida agreed to fight at a catch weight, retard. Nobody made Yoshida fight.
@KyleRichardson –
Of course he received money. He only had to give up 20% of his purse.
@PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE – look point blank if u have enough time on your hands 2 write such naive garbage against people who didn’t not come here to engage in a war of properly pronounced English with you, have once more made yourself seem pompous and further more even arrogant at times within these little essays of yours, but my point was made in my first comment, no one in Anthony rumble johnsons weight class will disband his road to a title shot or even slightly detour it, he will be champ one day , i believe he can knock gsp out, gsp couldnt knock alves out and anthony is way more aggressive and tougher in my opinion. but thats just me.
@will – No, you look, I have no problems with someones enthusiasm for a fighter or objective comments, everyone has their own opinions. The bottom line is that you called me out on something that you obviously didn’t read or misread. But reading your current post, it’s obvious that you’re STILL in the dark, even with the lights on. How can you possibly say that what I’m writing is “naive garbage” when I’m also praising Johnson? Does that mean your posts are naive garbage too?! Your clearly aren’t being objective if you think Koscheck isn’t a high caliber fighter, he’s a consensus top 10 opponent according to everyone but you, HMMM? Yes, you could say that’s your opinion, but if that’s true, what does that say about your opinions?
Besides the Koscheck miscue, you said Rumble should get a title shot, again, a bit far fetched. Not only is Rumble NOT in the top 10, he’s never fought a top ten fighter. Your earlier post, you said I was “biased”, which doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, because even if I thought Johnson would’ve had a tougher fight if he had made weight (which is not what I was saying), that would’ve been my opinion.
I’m also a fan of Johnson and I simply was stating that he (as any fighter) needs to make weight to make it a fair contest, but even if he had made weight, I knew he was going to destroy Yoshida.
In other words, I AGREE with you about Rumble being title bound, however, I’m not as sure as you are about him not being derailed enroute. In my opinion, he should or will fight Jon Fitch before his consideration to do battle with GSP, and Fitch will test his fortitude which I see the only thing he “may” be lacking. The first Kevin Burns fight made me think as much.
@PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE – ok fine ill agree with u for the time being then, let im fight someone such as jon fitch b4 any kind of title shot, just to show he is just as much of a game fighter as anyone, the reason i believe josh K. wouldn’t last is because in all of Josh’s fight he never really has stand up that makes u say wow! anthony has several fights which make u make u hit rewind just to see that knockout again, josh undoubtedly has the upper hand in the wrestling department but lets not forget that anthony is a wrestler too, i just dont see josh beating anthony in anyway, but i just dont see anyone near gsp’s weight class giving him a run for his money besides anthony honestly,not even bj penn, because we have seen how bj penn can sometimes be prone to choking on the big stage
@will – Well, I’ve agreed with you from the beginning about Johnson being very impressive in his fights, however Koscheck has not only fought higher opposition, but he’s also gone the distance with GSP, so that’s why he’s where he’s at right now. As well as he’s had a few impressive ko’s too, but don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand the guy, but he is a very worthy opponent. Rumble has had some highlight finishes too, but it’s only been against unranked fighters, so you just never know until he faces ranked fighters.
I also agree with you about Koschecks wrestling being better, only because I’ve yet to see Anthony on the ground, although he was submitted by decent ground guy in Rich Clementi.
Your comment on showing me he’s a game fighter is not necessary, I know he’s a game fighter, he just needs to go up against tougher opposition. As well as it’s not up to me who they have him fight next, but I’m just guessing that he’ll have to take on no fewer than “3″ ranked fighters before he can fight for the title, starting with Koscheck. That I’m pretty sure about.
I don’t see anyone else giving GSP a run for his money either, that’s another reason why I was hoping Johnson would take on ranked fighters soon so that the welterweight division would become energized again, this weight class has kinda flatlined because their are really no threats to GSP unless Anthony gets on the big stage.
Most of you guys are idiots. 6 pounds after weight cutting is probably close to 10-15 pounds by fight night. That’s a whole another weight class. Japanese fighters tend to not cut alot of weight, which is disadvantageous. Some guys like Yushin Okami are huge for their weight though. I have no problem with guys cutting weight, as long as they can do it. When guys put their physical well being on the line, it’s disrepectful to the opponent to cheat by carrying some extra weight. I do consider it cheating to be over the limit, as they should have had plenty of time to train and watch their weight.
Yoshida probably had the option to decline the fight, but after all that training, he was probably anxious to start the fight. If he declined the fight, you guys would probably berate him for being a pussy. I really hope that their camp at least got some of the penalty purse like Matt Hughes did in his fight against Riggs. I think that there should be a bigger penalty for not making weight, maybe by percentage of weight over by their weight class.
I can’t believe that whining about fighting someone a few pounds over, as if that makes a big difference. These are the kinds of people who either don’t train in Self Defense, or only train for sport. In a real fight you don’t get to choose they guys coming to hurt you, that is why in Martial Arts you actually learn how to defeat bigger and stronger guys.
Funny it is always Americans who whine about size, while the Brazilians and Japanese routinely hold open weight tournaments. In fact the UFC started out with open weight fights, before Sen. John McCain, the same guy most MMA fans voted for, tried to ban the UFC, even from PPV. Talk about censorship.
I have only seen one MMA guy run from a fight, at a bar. He was a 155′er, whose favorite fighter was Nick Diaz and apparently he had been doing it for a couple of years. So acted like he ran the bar by acting like Junie from Ultimate Fighter. One day he was talking smack and a big guy sat down and told him that he was a cage fighter and challenged him. As soon as the big guy went to get a beer, the MMA guy hauled ass out of the bar.
I have yet to see anyone who trains in Martial Arts (ie who wears the GI etc.) run away from any fight no matter how big they are.
Some say that there is a big difference between training for sport and training for the streets.
You make your own conclusions.
haha i got to touch him after ufc 104 ended outside. i grabbed and was like ay lemme get a picture with you and he was like naw man i gotta go sorry, and so he goes and a shitload more fans go to him and he starts taking pictures with them. fuck him lol ,
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