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Morg Said,
I thought Vera had it. Randy did great though, and I almost felt like Brandon didn’t go at Randy because he respects him so much (or maybe he felt sorry for the way he made Randy turtle in the first round), There was opportunity to land a few more left kicks and that could have finished Randy but Vera didn’t seem to take it.
Dana has nothing to do with the calls of the judges, hes talked shit amillion times about the athletic commission especially with the shogun/machida fight
@viewer – A fighter should prove that the scoring is fucking bullshit. I would just tackle a guy and score knockdown points all day just to prove that the scoring system sucks ass.
the fact randy wasnt hurting him as much doesnt matter, he won round 1 i felt because he was more dominate he did everything he tried to do,
the 2nd round i felt he won too, he was doing everything he wanted to do except for 10 seconds of the round were he got hit maybe 5 to 7 times? randy easily hit him that many times plus controlled most of the round.
and for round 3 that was fairly even it could go to either?!
i think the decision was right.
The fault is not the judges, but the UFC puts judges in boxing in an MMA event … In the most Total Communication event in the MMA world. can not happen, I hope to take provicencias DANA!
@Bruno Jack Rio De Janeiro – Brasil – The UFC has nothing to do with the judges you dumbass, it’s the athletic commissions (or the equivalent in other countries), but unfortunately they are judges from boxing.
Brandon won the fight, but just like Shogun, he left it in the hands of the judges. He had Randy hurt on 3 different occasions and didn’t have enough in the gas tank to finish him off. He probably won’t get dropped from the company because of this bad decision, but if he ever needed to impress and get a win, this was the fight and he blew it!!!!
@Eduardo Aracaju-Sergipe – YOU ARE INSANE, body kicks do not score alot and if u watch that last round randy did more work than brandon did alot more1 ok so vera shined some light a little but randy did mroe body of work controling grappling and landed more blows standing up in the third and against the cage then randy rolled out of his gaurd on the bottom stood up and threw some more blows with vera and landed more, are u kidding me? u though vera won this? 1st round randy, 2nd round vera, 3rd round randy, if u let some leg kicks and a busted takedown fool u on who won the fight, then maybe u need to go back to watching king of the cage fights and not ufc
wow u dont need to do the most damage to win a fight they see how dominated the fight the most and Randy did do that he controled the hole fight and yeah Vera did damage but he only did kicks to the body Randy did more punchs and elbows so Randy should of won cuz Vera could not get away from Randy
Yes this fight was fixed all Randy had to do was show up and not get knocked out and he would win. It’s all about the pay per view. Couture vs Machida will make more money than Machida vs Vera. Yes Vera was cheated anyone besides the 3 judges who watched it and disagrees is delusional. It’s sad how fans always love a winner even when he losses. I respect Randy but everyone in that arena should have been booing. Pressing Vera against the cage for 3 rounds proved he wanted a decision not a fight. His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win. Brandon Didn’t do a very good job of creating space and hitting him more but he did knock Randy down. The referee should have separated them more. Seriously could someone please tell me what Randy did to deserve this win. Name one thing besides one take-down in the first round which scored no damage. The winner is Dana White and his next pay per view. Notice how the UFC only allows promos for upcoming pay per view fights on youtube. They want you to buy their dvd’s and pay per views. They don’t care about the fans except the ones with money in their pockets. It’s all about the cash. TRUTH
Tenbears
Here’s the thing everyone seems to forget,the judges score fights not only on aggression,effective striking,but effective grappling and octagon control. I feel that Randy was dominant in both those areas of the fight,he dictated were the fight went and out grappled Vera. While I do feel he could have thrown and few more punches,I still think he went in and did what he had to do. There were plenty of times when Vera had him hurt,and I don’t feel like he jumped on those opportunities to finish the fight. As we are starting to see,legs kicks and body kicks don’t win the fight,they just set up the opportunities for the fighter to finsih the fight.
here’s a few ideas to implement towards MMA fight judging:
1.Only give 9-10 round scores that are really really close. In most mma fights the rounds are won by a pretty clear margin. So if the really close rounds were given 9-10, an average round win becomes an 8-10, and a blow away round becomes a 7-10 there would be more room to show how dominantly the round was won
2.Judges at the end of the fight should have an option to give fighters one “final impression bonus point” this way judges can consider the over all condition, damage, and cardio of both fighters and give a point to the fighter who most looks like he is still ready for one more round
3.Judges should give a written explanation of their judgment so that fighters can learn what the hell the judges are thinking and change up their game for the future.
4. Judges should be able to score tied, even draw rounds at 10-10 –sometimes its just really really close. Judges should respect that and not just arbitrarily choose a winner
i think the ref did the right thing. this is an MMA fight -not just a boxing/striking match.
you have to let these guys grapple for control.
i do agree though -not the most exciting fight. but that’s the difference between mma and wwe.
real mma is not always high flying backflip kicks
Even Randy himself agrees the UFC judging is flawed, he said so in the post fight interview with Rogan. I think it was a close fight, but Vera should have been the winner. Randy controlled the fight in the clinch against the fence and landed some shots with the dirty boxing, but nothing that actually hurt Vera. Randy the master grappler couldn’t take Vera down, the one occasion that he did, Vera just got back up again. Vera landed several leg kicks that hurt Randy. Those should count for points. Randy won a close 1st round, but i think Vera won the last two rounds. The athletic commision is corrupt. No way should that have been a unanimous decision. Bullshit!
Wow there are some real idiots here, if you think Vera was robbed. i’ll say it was close, and I don’t know how to score it. Randy took round one, and Vera two. The Third round was tough to judge. Overall Randy showed octagon control and aggression, but Vera did well as well and had the mount, but did nothing in ti so it’s hard to judge, i might give it to Randy, or even a draw, but no way in hell, was Vera Robbed.
@Thumder –
you’re an idiot. randy controled the fight. vera couldn’t stand on his feet when it was over.
it was close but randys strategie has to be taken in consideration and it did.
@Randommmaguy –
Well said. Yes, definitely close, but in no way was Vera robbed. I gave Randy two rounds and Vera one. Scoring system isn’t perfect, but it wasn’t robbery. Close fight.
Many of you are confused between a boring fight, which I think was interesting by the way, and efficiency. Randy Couture has explained his game plan before the fight: wrestling, wrestling and more wrestling, let’s go back to the source.
How many times did Vera’s coach tell him to get the fuck out the fence? Answer this question football fanswannabeufcspecialist.
Brando Vera was physically ran down by Randy Couture, and he could not escape the clinch and he could not finish him and he could not breath anymore.
Yes it might have been a boring fight, but experience and strategy prevailed .
RANDY PERFECT GAME PLAN MY MAN…and I apologize for those ignorant pricks who think that wrestling is not a part of mma.
@Tenbears – All I have to say is that your ass is about 9 bears short of a 10 pack, once again we have the conspiracy RETARDS weighing in with the typical Dana/UFC fight fixing bullshit rhetoric. In case you didn’t know, fight fixing is a federal crime and the UFC would basically collapse if they would ever think of doing something so painfully stupid just to set up another PPV fight. There’s ZERO to gain from such an absurd notion that making a Couture/Machida match materialize would produce billions $$$.
Your less than intelligent post actually contradicts itself, you say that Randy employed a particular strategy and he was successful in doing so, yet in the very next sentence you said he wasn’t trying to win the fight. You say: “His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win”. How ass backwards is that?!
But of course, in your view, this was an anounced title eliminator bout that would’ve determined the next opponent for Machida, which is so asinine because neither are nowhere near title contention, not to mention the obvious fact that Machida still has to get by Shogun for a second time. Yes Randy is loved, but nobody is interested in him fighting for the title ulness he gets through some of the guys who are in direct line for it.
And for the rest of the random RETARDS suggesting that kicks don’t score (or should score) equally to punches or do damage when landed, should leave MMA and stick to boxing websites. A strike is a strike and they all do damage, whether it’s an elbow that opens up a cut, a knee to the body or head from the Muy Thai clinch, or a debilitating punch to the solar plexus, they all can end a fight.
That’s the definition of MMA, some disciplines are strikes from leg kicks. Should some of the countless fights that were won by kicks be reversed because they just don’t count?
Rashad Evans vs Sean Salmon
Mirko Cro Cop vs Gabrial Gonzaga
Tim Sylvia vs Tra Telligman
Chuck Liddell vs Renato Sobral
Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns
Mirko Cro Cop vs 90% of his opponents
A fight can be 3 rounds of pure stand up, wrestling against the fence or ground game. It’s all legal, but if neither fighter advances in his position (wrestling/clinch or ground game) the ref. stands them up again. I beleive that Randy wanted to make Vera gas and take him in the third round. But even if i’m wrong, that’s not what happend.
They were both too good at their takedown deffence so this wasn’t much of a grapling/submission fight in the sense that they were not close to 5 armbars or 10 triangle chokes. Vera wanted to have a stand up fight, but Randy denied him that, but Randy couldn’t finish him off in the end either. Vera denied him that. So the whole thing ends up looking like Vera wants to fight stand up and (it looks like) Randy doesn’t want to fight, but just keep him up against the cage.
I beleive that fighters should try and end it themselves and never leave it up to the judgedes and I think they both wanted to do exactly that. The whole “you have to beat a champ to become a champ” is bs. If there are any points on the scorecard and you are behind before the match has begone, then there is something wrong. I don’t think pushing a guy up against the fence is octagon controle. I don’t even think Randy beleives that. I think that was the first part of Randy’s strategy and Vera denied Randy the second part so he couldn’t win by submission, ground and pound or whatever. The result is a close and uninterresting match.
I enjoy the submission almost as much as the tko’s, but wrestling and the damage done in the clinch is just one way of getting to the submission or tko later on. I’m not saying that wrestling isn’t important, but you have never heard: “The referee put a stop to this fight in the second round by wrestling”. So if you’re not going to let the judges decide you better be able to get to the second part of your stratigy or you end up looking like Randy. Vera ends up looking like the guy who wanted to be able to finish in all ronds.
Maybe Randy won. I can’t score a fight myself, but the difference in skills and strategy made this a boring match. I want to be entertained.
beat randy…and silva ..the only problem is he is 2 relaxed and content with falling in the clinch ..he was doing a far amount of damage with the kicks and it looked almost even with trades he jus needed to be less content with closing the gap stepping back n continue to have thrown blows and he would of maybe pulled of that decision perhaps got him self another k.o. on his record…
congrats to randy for holding his own and making fast recovery on some viscous blows ..judges score cards can always go any way ..thats why its like brandon said to be the champ you have to beat the champ..he beat on him but he didnt stop him or make it a convincing enough defeat so its all a flip of the coin from there…ohh well
what d f u ck..who were these judges f uc ki ng unfair..its a vera winning ..this is absolutely bias and ridiculous.UFC judges SUCKS..boxing is far more better at this point. KiLL those judges..
lol boxing has better judges =]] ?? in no way does boxing have better judges one of the latest robbings in a fight
Paulie “Magic Man” Malignaggi” and the “Baby Bull” Juan Diaz ..that fight was a robbed decision.. judges going for diaz to win when he got worked almost all rounds…
Lennox Lewis-Holyfield 1 way old but still a robbing lol ..there are plenty of others..when it comes to the judges like i said before its like the flip of a coin it could go any way no matter how the turn out of a fight seems in either or organizations…
@The Karate Kid – octagon control? just hugging en kissing your opponent thats octagon control? i like randy. but i think thats bull shit, randy don’t even pin down vera.
@jopesky – you obviously must be a wanna be boxing fan because in the world MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! that hugging and kissing is essential to winning and being successful, if u want just plain stand up go watch boxing and leave us alone, OH and another thing, FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO REALLLY BELIEVE VERA WON BECAUSE OF SOME DAMN BODY KICKS,you are sadly mistaken, watch the 1st round and the 3rd round all over again, cotoure landed more blows than vera when they exchanged and he also control him in wrestling and reversed him more times up against the cage. thats what octagon control is about vera, had the mount once and randy got through it at the ripe age of 46! and got up off the ground and came back to strike and take control, thats one of the main things that won randy this fight, all u wanna be MMA fans need to go study up on a few things then come back with a little more knowledge
if ur able to hold your opponent against there will in the fight like randy did vera thats considered by many to be known as ring control lol i know to the fans who are only taken by a more rounded mixed style fight..are not really going to understand how randy could have won but its mma u can chose to hold ur opponent at bay with the clinch n greko roman wrestling it scores in his favor because u have to look at it like this was brandon able to free himself the majority of times ?? no he wasnt and even if u look at it like ok maybe he wanted to stay in the clinch game ..was he able to capitalize no he truthfully wasnt randy had complete control showing his ability to keep brandon there and in reverse showing he was able to get out and capitalize when brandon had him in reverse ..so randy wins
This was Vera’s fight without a doubt, he just got simply robbed. Couture did nothing really other than hold, and if anything a few albows, I’ve been loosing alot of interest in the UFC lately, and now with the way these fights are being scored, forget it, just straightout weak…
Only one fighter was hurt in the fight.. Randy. I can’t say Vera was “robbed” because it wasn’t that clean cut but i definitely think Vera clearly won.. You can say Randy controlled the fight through clinching but whats control without hurting the opponent?? UFC should take a look at the way fights are judged because this means a fighter can clinch for 5 rounds without hurting or gettin his opponent down and win the fight???
dont go straight into his guard vera! nooo!!! dang.. vera could have made some better choices. totally shouldve just sniped couture with strikes.. oh well
this fight could go either way but lets just say that vera does not match up with couture very well. hes still a threat to the fighters who are better than couture though. vera just looked very lean and weak against couture. yes, technique overcomes power but it’s a whole different story if you are going up against couture who is physically and mentally strong. vera wasnt able to use his advantages simply because couture just out muscled him.
I think it was obvious that Vera hurt couture when he went down in the second round due to a knee to the chest. I did not see Couture do any damage at all to Vera. I dunno if the refs were watching the same match that I was????
Vera is robbed !!! actually i am now tired of watching UFC , because they are not creating a clean result … And if you notice the referee is not separating them everytime Randy push Brandon in the fence without doing nothing "" Thats right all Randy have to do is to survive and he will win the match " scripted !
Randy controlled Vera throughout most of the fight. Vera did really well during the few moments that Randy was not controlling him, but that is not enough to win over a good judge. This is one time that I agree with the judges. It was a boring fight but fighting is about controlling the other guy and Randy did that well.
BS! There was times Brandon looked like he could have taken him out but for respect for the poor man, He kept the partying going. Maybe the fight wasn't fixed; brandon just didn't put enough shots in to take him out.
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I thought Vera had it. Randy did great though, and I almost felt like Brandon didn’t go at Randy because he respects him so much (or maybe he felt sorry for the way he made Randy turtle in the first round), There was opportunity to land a few more left kicks and that could have finished Randy but Vera didn’t seem to take it.
FIXED fight… Randy did no damage
Vera Robbed.
wow, surely at the least it wasn’t a unanimous decision…the way judges score fights needs to be revised
WTF! Randy lost the last 2 rounds…2 times in a row now for UFC with these calls..Dana’s looking more like a chump.
@OMG –
Dana has nothing to do with the calls of the judges, hes talked shit amillion times about the athletic commission especially with the shogun/machida fight
I always give the judges a lot of crack before the fights.
leg kicks DONT score much (if any) in the UFC. I present Machida & Rua and now this fight.
Ring control and aggression wins the fight.
@viewer – A fighter should prove that the scoring is fucking bullshit. I would just tackle a guy and score knockdown points all day just to prove that the scoring system sucks ass.
the fact randy wasnt hurting him as much doesnt matter, he won round 1 i felt because he was more dominate he did everything he tried to do,
the 2nd round i felt he won too, he was doing everything he wanted to do except for 10 seconds of the round were he got hit maybe 5 to 7 times? randy easily hit him that many times plus controlled most of the round.
and for round 3 that was fairly even it could go to either?!
i think the decision was right.
The judges are blind ????
What are they smoking before the fights ???
Ridiculous…
Randy “The Coward” Couture. Great game-plan. Win the fight by NOT fighting.
The fault is not the judges, but the UFC puts judges in boxing in an MMA event … In the most Total Communication event in the MMA world. can not happen, I hope to take provicencias DANA!
@Bruno Jack Rio De Janeiro – Brasil – The UFC has nothing to do with the judges you dumbass, it’s the athletic commissions (or the equivalent in other countries), but unfortunately they are judges from boxing.
Brandon won the fight, but just like Shogun, he left it in the hands of the judges. He had Randy hurt on 3 different occasions and didn’t have enough in the gas tank to finish him off. He probably won’t get dropped from the company because of this bad decision, but if he ever needed to impress and get a win, this was the fight and he blew it!!!!
Thumder you just won the award for the most ignorant comment.
Congratulation!
You can pick up your golden douchebag at www. thumberthewanker.com
@Eduardo Aracaju-Sergipe – YOU ARE INSANE, body kicks do not score alot and if u watch that last round randy did more work than brandon did alot more1 ok so vera shined some light a little but randy did mroe body of work controling grappling and landed more blows standing up in the third and against the cage then randy rolled out of his gaurd on the bottom stood up and threw some more blows with vera and landed more, are u kidding me? u though vera won this? 1st round randy, 2nd round vera, 3rd round randy, if u let some leg kicks and a busted takedown fool u on who won the fight, then maybe u need to go back to watching king of the cage fights and not ufc
wow u dont need to do the most damage to win a fight they see how dominated the fight the most and Randy did do that he controled the hole fight and yeah Vera did damage but he only did kicks to the body Randy did more punchs and elbows so Randy should of won cuz Vera could not get away from Randy
Yes this fight was fixed all Randy had to do was show up and not get knocked out and he would win. It’s all about the pay per view. Couture vs Machida will make more money than Machida vs Vera. Yes Vera was cheated anyone besides the 3 judges who watched it and disagrees is delusional. It’s sad how fans always love a winner even when he losses. I respect Randy but everyone in that arena should have been booing. Pressing Vera against the cage for 3 rounds proved he wanted a decision not a fight. His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win. Brandon Didn’t do a very good job of creating space and hitting him more but he did knock Randy down. The referee should have separated them more. Seriously could someone please tell me what Randy did to deserve this win. Name one thing besides one take-down in the first round which scored no damage. The winner is Dana White and his next pay per view. Notice how the UFC only allows promos for upcoming pay per view fights on youtube. They want you to buy their dvd’s and pay per views. They don’t care about the fans except the ones with money in their pockets. It’s all about the cash. TRUTH
Tenbears
Here’s the thing everyone seems to forget,the judges score fights not only on aggression,effective striking,but effective grappling and octagon control. I feel that Randy was dominant in both those areas of the fight,he dictated were the fight went and out grappled Vera. While I do feel he could have thrown and few more punches,I still think he went in and did what he had to do. There were plenty of times when Vera had him hurt,and I don’t feel like he jumped on those opportunities to finish the fight. As we are starting to see,legs kicks and body kicks don’t win the fight,they just set up the opportunities for the fighter to finsih the fight.
here’s a few ideas to implement towards MMA fight judging:
1.Only give 9-10 round scores that are really really close. In most mma fights the rounds are won by a pretty clear margin. So if the really close rounds were given 9-10, an average round win becomes an 8-10, and a blow away round becomes a 7-10 there would be more room to show how dominantly the round was won
2.Judges at the end of the fight should have an option to give fighters one “final impression bonus point” this way judges can consider the over all condition, damage, and cardio of both fighters and give a point to the fighter who most looks like he is still ready for one more round
3.Judges should give a written explanation of their judgment so that fighters can learn what the hell the judges are thinking and change up their game for the future.
4. Judges should be able to score tied, even draw rounds at 10-10 –sometimes its just really really close. Judges should respect that and not just arbitrarily choose a winner
vera vs couture was very close -not a blowaway at all.
vera was not robbed the same way shogun was
i think the ref did the right thing. this is an MMA fight -not just a boxing/striking match.
you have to let these guys grapple for control.
i do agree though -not the most exciting fight. but that’s the difference between mma and wwe.
real mma is not always high flying backflip kicks
@will –
Even Randy himself agrees the UFC judging is flawed, he said so in the post fight interview with Rogan. I think it was a close fight, but Vera should have been the winner. Randy controlled the fight in the clinch against the fence and landed some shots with the dirty boxing, but nothing that actually hurt Vera. Randy the master grappler couldn’t take Vera down, the one occasion that he did, Vera just got back up again. Vera landed several leg kicks that hurt Randy. Those should count for points. Randy won a close 1st round, but i think Vera won the last two rounds. The athletic commision is corrupt. No way should that have been a unanimous decision. Bullshit!
Wow there are some real idiots here, if you think Vera was robbed. i’ll say it was close, and I don’t know how to score it. Randy took round one, and Vera two. The Third round was tough to judge. Overall Randy showed octagon control and aggression, but Vera did well as well and had the mount, but did nothing in ti so it’s hard to judge, i might give it to Randy, or even a draw, but no way in hell, was Vera Robbed.
Thank you you are the only one here who understands the rules and the judging. Randy won! Close but he won.
@Thumder –
you’re an idiot. randy controled the fight. vera couldn’t stand on his feet when it was over.
it was close but randys strategie has to be taken in consideration and it did.
@Randommmaguy –
Well said. Yes, definitely close, but in no way was Vera robbed. I gave Randy two rounds and Vera one. Scoring system isn’t perfect, but it wasn’t robbery. Close fight.
Many of you are confused between a boring fight, which I think was interesting by the way, and efficiency. Randy Couture has explained his game plan before the fight: wrestling, wrestling and more wrestling, let’s go back to the source.
How many times did Vera’s coach tell him to get the fuck out the fence? Answer this question football fanswannabeufcspecialist.
Brando Vera was physically ran down by Randy Couture, and he could not escape the clinch and he could not finish him and he could not breath anymore.
Yes it might have been a boring fight, but experience and strategy prevailed .
RANDY PERFECT GAME PLAN MY MAN…and I apologize for those ignorant pricks who think that wrestling is not a part of mma.
I am waitting for the fight SANCHEZ vs BLOW JAW PENN
Sanchez is my man.
@Tenbears – All I have to say is that your ass is about 9 bears short of a 10 pack, once again we have the conspiracy RETARDS weighing in with the typical Dana/UFC fight fixing bullshit rhetoric. In case you didn’t know, fight fixing is a federal crime and the UFC would basically collapse if they would ever think of doing something so painfully stupid just to set up another PPV fight. There’s ZERO to gain from such an absurd notion that making a Couture/Machida match materialize would produce billions $$$.
Your less than intelligent post actually contradicts itself, you say that Randy employed a particular strategy and he was successful in doing so, yet in the very next sentence you said he wasn’t trying to win the fight. You say: “His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win”. How ass backwards is that?!
But of course, in your view, this was an anounced title eliminator bout that would’ve determined the next opponent for Machida, which is so asinine because neither are nowhere near title contention, not to mention the obvious fact that Machida still has to get by Shogun for a second time. Yes Randy is loved, but nobody is interested in him fighting for the title ulness he gets through some of the guys who are in direct line for it.
And for the rest of the random RETARDS suggesting that kicks don’t score (or should score) equally to punches or do damage when landed, should leave MMA and stick to boxing websites. A strike is a strike and they all do damage, whether it’s an elbow that opens up a cut, a knee to the body or head from the Muy Thai clinch, or a debilitating punch to the solar plexus, they all can end a fight.
That’s the definition of MMA, some disciplines are strikes from leg kicks. Should some of the countless fights that were won by kicks be reversed because they just don’t count?
Rashad Evans vs Sean Salmon
Mirko Cro Cop vs Gabrial Gonzaga
Tim Sylvia vs Tra Telligman
Chuck Liddell vs Renato Sobral
Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns
Mirko Cro Cop vs 90% of his opponents
ECT, ECT, ECT
A fight can be 3 rounds of pure stand up, wrestling against the fence or ground game. It’s all legal, but if neither fighter advances in his position (wrestling/clinch or ground game) the ref. stands them up again. I beleive that Randy wanted to make Vera gas and take him in the third round. But even if i’m wrong, that’s not what happend.
They were both too good at their takedown deffence so this wasn’t much of a grapling/submission fight in the sense that they were not close to 5 armbars or 10 triangle chokes. Vera wanted to have a stand up fight, but Randy denied him that, but Randy couldn’t finish him off in the end either. Vera denied him that. So the whole thing ends up looking like Vera wants to fight stand up and (it looks like) Randy doesn’t want to fight, but just keep him up against the cage.
I beleive that fighters should try and end it themselves and never leave it up to the judgedes and I think they both wanted to do exactly that. The whole “you have to beat a champ to become a champ” is bs. If there are any points on the scorecard and you are behind before the match has begone, then there is something wrong. I don’t think pushing a guy up against the fence is octagon controle. I don’t even think Randy beleives that. I think that was the first part of Randy’s strategy and Vera denied Randy the second part so he couldn’t win by submission, ground and pound or whatever. The result is a close and uninterresting match.
I enjoy the submission almost as much as the tko’s, but wrestling and the damage done in the clinch is just one way of getting to the submission or tko later on. I’m not saying that wrestling isn’t important, but you have never heard: “The referee put a stop to this fight in the second round by wrestling”. So if you’re not going to let the judges decide you better be able to get to the second part of your stratigy or you end up looking like Randy. Vera ends up looking like the guy who wanted to be able to finish in all ronds.
Maybe Randy won. I can’t score a fight myself, but the difference in skills and strategy made this a boring match. I want to be entertained.
I agree with Jon Anik, a draw / 引き分け
all i can say is brandon vera had the ability 2
beat randy…and silva ..the only problem is he is 2 relaxed and content with falling in the clinch ..he was doing a far amount of damage with the kicks and it looked almost even with trades he jus needed to be less content with closing the gap stepping back n continue to have thrown blows and he would of maybe pulled of that decision perhaps got him self another k.o. on his record…
congrats to randy for holding his own and making fast recovery on some viscous blows ..judges score cards can always go any way ..thats why its like brandon said to be the champ you have to beat the champ..he beat on him but he didnt stop him or make it a convincing enough defeat so its all a flip of the coin from there…ohh well
what d f u ck..who were these judges f uc ki ng unfair..its a vera winning ..this is absolutely bias and ridiculous.UFC judges SUCKS..boxing is far more better at this point. KiLL those judges..
couture want to wrestle but he’s ineffective o common people you witness d fight..it totally bias..FUCK UFC judges
lol boxing has better judges =]] ?? in no way does boxing have better judges one of the latest robbings in a fight
Paulie “Magic Man” Malignaggi” and the “Baby Bull” Juan Diaz ..that fight was a robbed decision.. judges going for diaz to win when he got worked almost all rounds…
Lennox Lewis-Holyfield 1 way old but still a robbing lol ..there are plenty of others..when it comes to the judges like i said before its like the flip of a coin it could go any way no matter how the turn out of a fight seems in either or organizations…
for all says that randy wins.. you are all wrong, vera won,. 30,27 30,27 30,27.-
randy hugs, but brandon was kiicking, theirs a problem in UFC right nOw.
@The Karate Kid – octagon control? just hugging en kissing your opponent thats octagon control? i like randy. but i think thats bull shit, randy don’t even pin down vera.
@jopesky – you obviously must be a wanna be boxing fan because in the world MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! that hugging and kissing is essential to winning and being successful, if u want just plain stand up go watch boxing and leave us alone, OH and another thing, FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO REALLLY BELIEVE VERA WON BECAUSE OF SOME DAMN BODY KICKS,you are sadly mistaken, watch the 1st round and the 3rd round all over again, cotoure landed more blows than vera when they exchanged and he also control him in wrestling and reversed him more times up against the cage. thats what octagon control is about vera, had the mount once and randy got through it at the ripe age of 46! and got up off the ground and came back to strike and take control, thats one of the main things that won randy this fight, all u wanna be MMA fans need to go study up on a few things then come back with a little more knowledge
if ur able to hold your opponent against there will in the fight like randy did vera thats considered by many to be known as ring control lol i know to the fans who are only taken by a more rounded mixed style fight..are not really going to understand how randy could have won but its mma u can chose to hold ur opponent at bay with the clinch n greko roman wrestling it scores in his favor because u have to look at it like this was brandon able to free himself the majority of times ?? no he wasnt and even if u look at it like ok maybe he wanted to stay in the clinch game ..was he able to capitalize no he truthfully wasnt randy had complete control showing his ability to keep brandon there and in reverse showing he was able to get out and capitalize when brandon had him in reverse ..so randy wins
This was Vera’s fight without a doubt, he just got simply robbed. Couture did nothing really other than hold, and if anything a few albows, I’ve been loosing alot of interest in the UFC lately, and now with the way these fights are being scored, forget it, just straightout weak…
Only one fighter was hurt in the fight.. Randy. I can’t say Vera was “robbed” because it wasn’t that clean cut but i definitely think Vera clearly won.. You can say Randy controlled the fight through clinching but whats control without hurting the opponent?? UFC should take a look at the way fights are judged because this means a fighter can clinch for 5 rounds without hurting or gettin his opponent down and win the fight???
Oh and Rogan needs to stop licking Randys balls…
dont go straight into his guard vera! nooo!!! dang.. vera could have made some better choices. totally shouldve just sniped couture with strikes.. oh well
i know exactly my point dirty D lol
thats why he lost 2 tim sylva he could of beat him also but
some fighters are just the way they are i guess
this fight could go either way but lets just say that vera does not match up with couture very well. hes still a threat to the fighters who are better than couture though. vera just looked very lean and weak against couture. yes, technique overcomes power but it’s a whole different story if you are going up against couture who is physically and mentally strong. vera wasnt able to use his advantages simply because couture just out muscled him.
@mikkyg –
I think it was obvious that Vera hurt couture when he went down in the second round due to a knee to the chest. I did not see Couture do any damage at all to Vera. I dunno if the refs were watching the same match that I was????
Vera is robbed !!! actually i am now tired of watching UFC , because they are not creating a clean result … And if you notice the referee is not separating them everytime Randy push Brandon in the fence without doing nothing "" Thats right all Randy have to do is to survive and he will win the match " scripted !
I'm sure vera was holding back, He had alot of respect for couture since he is his idol. =
Randy controlled Vera throughout most of the fight. Vera did really well during the few moments that Randy was not controlling him, but that is not enough to win over a good judge. This is one time that I agree with the judges. It was a boring fight but fighting is about controlling the other guy and Randy did that well.
I love couture but he is overrated….plus vera got robbed…..too much politics
the fight was particularly exicitng but overall randy couture handled like he usually handles
BS! There was times Brandon looked like he could have taken him out but for respect for the poor man, He kept the partying going. Maybe the fight wasn't fixed; brandon just didn't put enough shots in to take him out.
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