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I thought Vera had it. Randy did great though, and I almost felt like Brandon didn’t go at Randy because he respects him so much (or maybe he felt sorry for the way he made Randy turtle in the first round), There was opportunity to land a few more left kicks and that could have finished Randy but Vera didn’t seem to take it.
Dana has nothing to do with the calls of the judges, hes talked shit amillion times about the athletic commission especially with the shogun/machida fight
@viewer – A fighter should prove that the scoring is fucking bullshit. I would just tackle a guy and score knockdown points all day just to prove that the scoring system sucks ass.
the fact randy wasnt hurting him as much doesnt matter, he won round 1 i felt because he was more dominate he did everything he tried to do,
the 2nd round i felt he won too, he was doing everything he wanted to do except for 10 seconds of the round were he got hit maybe 5 to 7 times? randy easily hit him that many times plus controlled most of the round.
and for round 3 that was fairly even it could go to either?!
i think the decision was right.
The fault is not the judges, but the UFC puts judges in boxing in an MMA event … In the most Total Communication event in the MMA world. can not happen, I hope to take provicencias DANA!
@Bruno Jack Rio De Janeiro – Brasil – The UFC has nothing to do with the judges you dumbass, it’s the athletic commissions (or the equivalent in other countries), but unfortunately they are judges from boxing.
Brandon won the fight, but just like Shogun, he left it in the hands of the judges. He had Randy hurt on 3 different occasions and didn’t have enough in the gas tank to finish him off. He probably won’t get dropped from the company because of this bad decision, but if he ever needed to impress and get a win, this was the fight and he blew it!!!!
@Eduardo Aracaju-Sergipe – YOU ARE INSANE, body kicks do not score alot and if u watch that last round randy did more work than brandon did alot more1 ok so vera shined some light a little but randy did mroe body of work controling grappling and landed more blows standing up in the third and against the cage then randy rolled out of his gaurd on the bottom stood up and threw some more blows with vera and landed more, are u kidding me? u though vera won this? 1st round randy, 2nd round vera, 3rd round randy, if u let some leg kicks and a busted takedown fool u on who won the fight, then maybe u need to go back to watching king of the cage fights and not ufc
wow u dont need to do the most damage to win a fight they see how dominated the fight the most and Randy did do that he controled the hole fight and yeah Vera did damage but he only did kicks to the body Randy did more punchs and elbows so Randy should of won cuz Vera could not get away from Randy
Yes this fight was fixed all Randy had to do was show up and not get knocked out and he would win. It’s all about the pay per view. Couture vs Machida will make more money than Machida vs Vera. Yes Vera was cheated anyone besides the 3 judges who watched it and disagrees is delusional. It’s sad how fans always love a winner even when he losses. I respect Randy but everyone in that arena should have been booing. Pressing Vera against the cage for 3 rounds proved he wanted a decision not a fight. His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win. Brandon Didn’t do a very good job of creating space and hitting him more but he did knock Randy down. The referee should have separated them more. Seriously could someone please tell me what Randy did to deserve this win. Name one thing besides one take-down in the first round which scored no damage. The winner is Dana White and his next pay per view. Notice how the UFC only allows promos for upcoming pay per view fights on youtube. They want you to buy their dvd’s and pay per views. They don’t care about the fans except the ones with money in their pockets. It’s all about the cash. TRUTH
Tenbears
Here’s the thing everyone seems to forget,the judges score fights not only on aggression,effective striking,but effective grappling and octagon control. I feel that Randy was dominant in both those areas of the fight,he dictated were the fight went and out grappled Vera. While I do feel he could have thrown and few more punches,I still think he went in and did what he had to do. There were plenty of times when Vera had him hurt,and I don’t feel like he jumped on those opportunities to finish the fight. As we are starting to see,legs kicks and body kicks don’t win the fight,they just set up the opportunities for the fighter to finsih the fight.
here’s a few ideas to implement towards MMA fight judging:
1.Only give 9-10 round scores that are really really close. In most mma fights the rounds are won by a pretty clear margin. So if the really close rounds were given 9-10, an average round win becomes an 8-10, and a blow away round becomes a 7-10 there would be more room to show how dominantly the round was won
2.Judges at the end of the fight should have an option to give fighters one “final impression bonus point” this way judges can consider the over all condition, damage, and cardio of both fighters and give a point to the fighter who most looks like he is still ready for one more round
3.Judges should give a written explanation of their judgment so that fighters can learn what the hell the judges are thinking and change up their game for the future.
4. Judges should be able to score tied, even draw rounds at 10-10 –sometimes its just really really close. Judges should respect that and not just arbitrarily choose a winner
i think the ref did the right thing. this is an MMA fight -not just a boxing/striking match.
you have to let these guys grapple for control.
i do agree though -not the most exciting fight. but that’s the difference between mma and wwe.
real mma is not always high flying backflip kicks
Even Randy himself agrees the UFC judging is flawed, he said so in the post fight interview with Rogan. I think it was a close fight, but Vera should have been the winner. Randy controlled the fight in the clinch against the fence and landed some shots with the dirty boxing, but nothing that actually hurt Vera. Randy the master grappler couldn’t take Vera down, the one occasion that he did, Vera just got back up again. Vera landed several leg kicks that hurt Randy. Those should count for points. Randy won a close 1st round, but i think Vera won the last two rounds. The athletic commision is corrupt. No way should that have been a unanimous decision. Bullshit!
Wow there are some real idiots here, if you think Vera was robbed. i’ll say it was close, and I don’t know how to score it. Randy took round one, and Vera two. The Third round was tough to judge. Overall Randy showed octagon control and aggression, but Vera did well as well and had the mount, but did nothing in ti so it’s hard to judge, i might give it to Randy, or even a draw, but no way in hell, was Vera Robbed.
@Thumder –
you’re an idiot. randy controled the fight. vera couldn’t stand on his feet when it was over.
it was close but randys strategie has to be taken in consideration and it did.
@Randommmaguy –
Well said. Yes, definitely close, but in no way was Vera robbed. I gave Randy two rounds and Vera one. Scoring system isn’t perfect, but it wasn’t robbery. Close fight.
Many of you are confused between a boring fight, which I think was interesting by the way, and efficiency. Randy Couture has explained his game plan before the fight: wrestling, wrestling and more wrestling, let’s go back to the source.
How many times did Vera’s coach tell him to get the fuck out the fence? Answer this question football fanswannabeufcspecialist.
Brando Vera was physically ran down by Randy Couture, and he could not escape the clinch and he could not finish him and he could not breath anymore.
Yes it might have been a boring fight, but experience and strategy prevailed .
RANDY PERFECT GAME PLAN MY MAN…and I apologize for those ignorant pricks who think that wrestling is not a part of mma.
@Tenbears – All I have to say is that your ass is about 9 bears short of a 10 pack, once again we have the conspiracy RETARDS weighing in with the typical Dana/UFC fight fixing bullshit rhetoric. In case you didn’t know, fight fixing is a federal crime and the UFC would basically collapse if they would ever think of doing something so painfully stupid just to set up another PPV fight. There’s ZERO to gain from such an absurd notion that making a Couture/Machida match materialize would produce billions $$$.
Your less than intelligent post actually contradicts itself, you say that Randy employed a particular strategy and he was successful in doing so, yet in the very next sentence you said he wasn’t trying to win the fight. You say: “His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win”. How ass backwards is that?!
But of course, in your view, this was an anounced title eliminator bout that would’ve determined the next opponent for Machida, which is so asinine because neither are nowhere near title contention, not to mention the obvious fact that Machida still has to get by Shogun for a second time. Yes Randy is loved, but nobody is interested in him fighting for the title ulness he gets through some of the guys who are in direct line for it.
And for the rest of the random RETARDS suggesting that kicks don’t score (or should score) equally to punches or do damage when landed, should leave MMA and stick to boxing websites. A strike is a strike and they all do damage, whether it’s an elbow that opens up a cut, a knee to the body or head from the Muy Thai clinch, or a debilitating punch to the solar plexus, they all can end a fight.
That’s the definition of MMA, some disciplines are strikes from leg kicks. Should some of the countless fights that were won by kicks be reversed because they just don’t count?
Rashad Evans vs Sean Salmon
Mirko Cro Cop vs Gabrial Gonzaga
Tim Sylvia vs Tra Telligman
Chuck Liddell vs Renato Sobral
Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns
Mirko Cro Cop vs 90% of his opponents
A fight can be 3 rounds of pure stand up, wrestling against the fence or ground game. It’s all legal, but if neither fighter advances in his position (wrestling/clinch or ground game) the ref. stands them up again. I beleive that Randy wanted to make Vera gas and take him in the third round. But even if i’m wrong, that’s not what happend.
They were both too good at their takedown deffence so this wasn’t much of a grapling/submission fight in the sense that they were not close to 5 armbars or 10 triangle chokes. Vera wanted to have a stand up fight, but Randy denied him that, but Randy couldn’t finish him off in the end either. Vera denied him that. So the whole thing ends up looking like Vera wants to fight stand up and (it looks like) Randy doesn’t want to fight, but just keep him up against the cage.
I beleive that fighters should try and end it themselves and never leave it up to the judgedes and I think they both wanted to do exactly that. The whole “you have to beat a champ to become a champ” is bs. If there are any points on the scorecard and you are behind before the match has begone, then there is something wrong. I don’t think pushing a guy up against the fence is octagon controle. I don’t even think Randy beleives that. I think that was the first part of Randy’s strategy and Vera denied Randy the second part so he couldn’t win by submission, ground and pound or whatever. The result is a close and uninterresting match.
I enjoy the submission almost as much as the tko’s, but wrestling and the damage done in the clinch is just one way of getting to the submission or tko later on. I’m not saying that wrestling isn’t important, but you have never heard: “The referee put a stop to this fight in the second round by wrestling”. So if you’re not going to let the judges decide you better be able to get to the second part of your stratigy or you end up looking like Randy. Vera ends up looking like the guy who wanted to be able to finish in all ronds.
Maybe Randy won. I can’t score a fight myself, but the difference in skills and strategy made this a boring match. I want to be entertained.
beat randy…and silva ..the only problem is he is 2 relaxed and content with falling in the clinch ..he was doing a far amount of damage with the kicks and it looked almost even with trades he jus needed to be less content with closing the gap stepping back n continue to have thrown blows and he would of maybe pulled of that decision perhaps got him self another k.o. on his record…
congrats to randy for holding his own and making fast recovery on some viscous blows ..judges score cards can always go any way ..thats why its like brandon said to be the champ you have to beat the champ..he beat on him but he didnt stop him or make it a convincing enough defeat so its all a flip of the coin from there…ohh well
what d f u ck..who were these judges f uc ki ng unfair..its a vera winning ..this is absolutely bias and ridiculous.UFC judges SUCKS..boxing is far more better at this point. KiLL those judges..
lol boxing has better judges =]] ?? in no way does boxing have better judges one of the latest robbings in a fight
Paulie “Magic Man” Malignaggi” and the “Baby Bull” Juan Diaz ..that fight was a robbed decision.. judges going for diaz to win when he got worked almost all rounds…
Lennox Lewis-Holyfield 1 way old but still a robbing lol ..there are plenty of others..when it comes to the judges like i said before its like the flip of a coin it could go any way no matter how the turn out of a fight seems in either or organizations…
@The Karate Kid – octagon control? just hugging en kissing your opponent thats octagon control? i like randy. but i think thats bull shit, randy don’t even pin down vera.
@jopesky – you obviously must be a wanna be boxing fan because in the world MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! that hugging and kissing is essential to winning and being successful, if u want just plain stand up go watch boxing and leave us alone, OH and another thing, FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO REALLLY BELIEVE VERA WON BECAUSE OF SOME DAMN BODY KICKS,you are sadly mistaken, watch the 1st round and the 3rd round all over again, cotoure landed more blows than vera when they exchanged and he also control him in wrestling and reversed him more times up against the cage. thats what octagon control is about vera, had the mount once and randy got through it at the ripe age of 46! and got up off the ground and came back to strike and take control, thats one of the main things that won randy this fight, all u wanna be MMA fans need to go study up on a few things then come back with a little more knowledge
if ur able to hold your opponent against there will in the fight like randy did vera thats considered by many to be known as ring control lol i know to the fans who are only taken by a more rounded mixed style fight..are not really going to understand how randy could have won but its mma u can chose to hold ur opponent at bay with the clinch n greko roman wrestling it scores in his favor because u have to look at it like this was brandon able to free himself the majority of times ?? no he wasnt and even if u look at it like ok maybe he wanted to stay in the clinch game ..was he able to capitalize no he truthfully wasnt randy had complete control showing his ability to keep brandon there and in reverse showing he was able to get out and capitalize when brandon had him in reverse ..so randy wins
This was Vera’s fight without a doubt, he just got simply robbed. Couture did nothing really other than hold, and if anything a few albows, I’ve been loosing alot of interest in the UFC lately, and now with the way these fights are being scored, forget it, just straightout weak…
Only one fighter was hurt in the fight.. Randy. I can’t say Vera was “robbed” because it wasn’t that clean cut but i definitely think Vera clearly won.. You can say Randy controlled the fight through clinching but whats control without hurting the opponent?? UFC should take a look at the way fights are judged because this means a fighter can clinch for 5 rounds without hurting or gettin his opponent down and win the fight???
dont go straight into his guard vera! nooo!!! dang.. vera could have made some better choices. totally shouldve just sniped couture with strikes.. oh well
this fight could go either way but lets just say that vera does not match up with couture very well. hes still a threat to the fighters who are better than couture though. vera just looked very lean and weak against couture. yes, technique overcomes power but it’s a whole different story if you are going up against couture who is physically and mentally strong. vera wasnt able to use his advantages simply because couture just out muscled him.
I think it was obvious that Vera hurt couture when he went down in the second round due to a knee to the chest. I did not see Couture do any damage at all to Vera. I dunno if the refs were watching the same match that I was????
Vera is robbed !!! actually i am now tired of watching UFC , because they are not creating a clean result … And if you notice the referee is not separating them everytime Randy push Brandon in the fence without doing nothing "" Thats right all Randy have to do is to survive and he will win the match " scripted !
Randy controlled Vera throughout most of the fight. Vera did really well during the few moments that Randy was not controlling him, but that is not enough to win over a good judge. This is one time that I agree with the judges. It was a boring fight but fighting is about controlling the other guy and Randy did that well.
BS! There was times Brandon looked like he could have taken him out but for respect for the poor man, He kept the partying going. Maybe the fight wasn't fixed; brandon just didn't put enough shots in to take him out.
Vera WON IMO…
Randy first round
VERA round 2 decisively with knockdown and Round 3 was pretty fuckin even.
But I still would of given it to VERA with the takedown of Randy (which is pretty good in itself to do).
VERA the winner… ah well he'll beat Mr Jones tomorrow ;p
Just to be clear, we call it a "fight" but it's a competition which features martial arts and fighting forms against each other. Overall, a combination of styles is used to defeat somebody else. Randy Couture is a Greco-Roman wrestler and everybody is surprised when he uses that fighting style against powerful strikers.
The game plan was obviously to push him against the fence, wear him down, and go for a take down. The problem in that strategy is that Brandon Vera is also a Greco guy and was able to defend the take down attempts against the fence.
Cause damage on two or three different occasions but spend the majority of the fight pushed up against the fence helpless and you're going to lose. Everyone wanted Vera to win because he came in swinging and clipped Randy a few times but the fact remains that his style and game plan failed where Randy Couture's game plan was overly successful: he controlled Vera for the majority of three rounds.
The entire fight isn't scored by hurting your opponents. Where do you people get this stupid logic? It was obviously a unanimous decision in that all three judges agreed that Randy Couture won the fight using wrestling control. It doesn't mean he won all three rounds.
No, you don't score fights. Thank god for that. Being entertaining is NOT A WAY OF WINNING A GODDAMNED FIGHT.
If Randy held Brandon on the ground and pinned him there for three rounds, that would be ground control. If Brandon kept the fight at a distance and controlled the fight with strikes, that would be a form of control.
So by this logic, how is Randy doing exactly what his Greco Roman wrestling is known for- pushing Vera against the fence- NOT a form of control? He was CONTROLLING Brandon Vera. He was CONTROLLING him.
Again, there are no UFC judges. Greco Roman wrestling is all about standing control aka pushing a guy against the fence. He wanted to keep the fight in the clinch and work for take downs and he did exactly that although the take downs didn't happen because Vera trained extensively in the clinch for that match.
You're clearly an uneducated fight fan that thinks MMA is kickboxing and Jujitsu only. Go enjoy your tin foil affliction shirt and beer pong come fight night and leave the logic and thinking to the educated fans.
Please, god, go back to boxing then. We need less uneducated fans that just want to see two guys punching each other to death.
No shit the referee didn't separate them every two minutes. Again, this isn't a boxing match. The referee allowed Randy to use his fighting form (Wrestling, you might have heard of it. Maybe not.). As it turns out, Brandon Vera is also an experienced Greco Roman wrestler and couldn't do jack shit against Randy except tag him a couple of times before taking another nap against the fence.
Randy clearly won the fight by using proper technique and control. If all you had to do to win a fight was hit the guy a few times, Kimbo Slice would still be in the UFC.
Wrong twice in a row, nice man. Nobody cares if you and a slew of other uneducated mixed martial arts fans think Vera won a fight where he was clinched and controlled for three straight rounds.
It's more like this, Hehe: The UFC went mainstream and attracted a bunch of new fans. Many of these new fans fit the "young male" demographic. These young male fans want to see blood shed, violence, and guys getting beat up and taken out on stretchers.
Unfortunately for them, not every martial art and fight style on the planet involves punching and kicking to survive. Whenever one of these non-striking styles wins a decision, suddenly it's a robbery! Oh no!
Do us all a favor: Go get yourself another foil-skull t-shirt and shut the fuck up.
Yes. He resisted the opportunity to create a massive amount of hype for himself and potentially work his way towards a title shot and a huge paying fight contract because he respects Randy Couture.
I thought Vera had it. Randy did great though, and I almost felt like Brandon didn’t go at Randy because he respects him so much (or maybe he felt sorry for the way he made Randy turtle in the first round), There was opportunity to land a few more left kicks and that could have finished Randy but Vera didn’t seem to take it.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pmFIXED fight… Randy did no damage
November 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmVera Robbed.
November 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pmwow, surely at the least it wasn’t a unanimous decision…the way judges score fights needs to be revised
November 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pmWTF! Randy lost the last 2 rounds…2 times in a row now for UFC with these calls..Dana’s looking more like a chump.
November 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pm@OMG –
Dana has nothing to do with the calls of the judges, hes talked shit amillion times about the athletic commission especially with the shogun/machida fight
November 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pmI always give the judges a lot of crack before the fights.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pmleg kicks DONT score much (if any) in the UFC. I present Machida & Rua and now this fight.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pmRing control and aggression wins the fight.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pm@viewer – A fighter should prove that the scoring is fucking bullshit. I would just tackle a guy and score knockdown points all day just to prove that the scoring system sucks ass.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pmthe fact randy wasnt hurting him as much doesnt matter, he won round 1 i felt because he was more dominate he did everything he tried to do,
November 14th, 2009 at 11:02 pmthe 2nd round i felt he won too, he was doing everything he wanted to do except for 10 seconds of the round were he got hit maybe 5 to 7 times? randy easily hit him that many times plus controlled most of the round.
and for round 3 that was fairly even it could go to either?!
i think the decision was right.
The judges are blind ????
November 15th, 2009 at 4:44 amWhat are they smoking before the fights ???
Ridiculous…
Randy “The Coward” Couture. Great game-plan. Win the fight by NOT fighting.
November 15th, 2009 at 5:07 amThe fault is not the judges, but the UFC puts judges in boxing in an MMA event … In the most Total Communication event in the MMA world. can not happen, I hope to take provicencias DANA!
November 15th, 2009 at 8:44 am@Bruno Jack Rio De Janeiro – Brasil – The UFC has nothing to do with the judges you dumbass, it’s the athletic commissions (or the equivalent in other countries), but unfortunately they are judges from boxing.
Brandon won the fight, but just like Shogun, he left it in the hands of the judges. He had Randy hurt on 3 different occasions and didn’t have enough in the gas tank to finish him off. He probably won’t get dropped from the company because of this bad decision, but if he ever needed to impress and get a win, this was the fight and he blew it!!!!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:45 amThumder you just won the award for the most ignorant comment.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:47 amCongratulation!
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@Eduardo Aracaju-Sergipe – YOU ARE INSANE, body kicks do not score alot and if u watch that last round randy did more work than brandon did alot more1 ok so vera shined some light a little but randy did mroe body of work controling grappling and landed more blows standing up in the third and against the cage then randy rolled out of his gaurd on the bottom stood up and threw some more blows with vera and landed more, are u kidding me? u though vera won this? 1st round randy, 2nd round vera, 3rd round randy, if u let some leg kicks and a busted takedown fool u on who won the fight, then maybe u need to go back to watching king of the cage fights and not ufc
November 15th, 2009 at 10:21 amwow u dont need to do the most damage to win a fight they see how dominated the fight the most and Randy did do that he controled the hole fight and yeah Vera did damage but he only did kicks to the body Randy did more punchs and elbows so Randy should of won cuz Vera could not get away from Randy
November 15th, 2009 at 10:40 amYes this fight was fixed all Randy had to do was show up and not get knocked out and he would win. It’s all about the pay per view. Couture vs Machida will make more money than Machida vs Vera. Yes Vera was cheated anyone besides the 3 judges who watched it and disagrees is delusional. It’s sad how fans always love a winner even when he losses. I respect Randy but everyone in that arena should have been booing. Pressing Vera against the cage for 3 rounds proved he wanted a decision not a fight. His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win. Brandon Didn’t do a very good job of creating space and hitting him more but he did knock Randy down. The referee should have separated them more. Seriously could someone please tell me what Randy did to deserve this win. Name one thing besides one take-down in the first round which scored no damage. The winner is Dana White and his next pay per view. Notice how the UFC only allows promos for upcoming pay per view fights on youtube. They want you to buy their dvd’s and pay per views. They don’t care about the fans except the ones with money in their pockets. It’s all about the cash. TRUTH
November 15th, 2009 at 10:46 amTenbears
Here’s the thing everyone seems to forget,the judges score fights not only on aggression,effective striking,but effective grappling and octagon control. I feel that Randy was dominant in both those areas of the fight,he dictated were the fight went and out grappled Vera. While I do feel he could have thrown and few more punches,I still think he went in and did what he had to do. There were plenty of times when Vera had him hurt,and I don’t feel like he jumped on those opportunities to finish the fight. As we are starting to see,legs kicks and body kicks don’t win the fight,they just set up the opportunities for the fighter to finsih the fight.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:49 amhere’s a few ideas to implement towards MMA fight judging:
November 15th, 2009 at 11:06 am1.Only give 9-10 round scores that are really really close. In most mma fights the rounds are won by a pretty clear margin. So if the really close rounds were given 9-10, an average round win becomes an 8-10, and a blow away round becomes a 7-10 there would be more room to show how dominantly the round was won
2.Judges at the end of the fight should have an option to give fighters one “final impression bonus point” this way judges can consider the over all condition, damage, and cardio of both fighters and give a point to the fighter who most looks like he is still ready for one more round
3.Judges should give a written explanation of their judgment so that fighters can learn what the hell the judges are thinking and change up their game for the future.
4. Judges should be able to score tied, even draw rounds at 10-10 –sometimes its just really really close. Judges should respect that and not just arbitrarily choose a winner
vera vs couture was very close -not a blowaway at all.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:07 amvera was not robbed the same way shogun was
i think the ref did the right thing. this is an MMA fight -not just a boxing/striking match.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:12 amyou have to let these guys grapple for control.
i do agree though -not the most exciting fight. but that’s the difference between mma and wwe.
real mma is not always high flying backflip kicks
@will –
Even Randy himself agrees the UFC judging is flawed, he said so in the post fight interview with Rogan. I think it was a close fight, but Vera should have been the winner. Randy controlled the fight in the clinch against the fence and landed some shots with the dirty boxing, but nothing that actually hurt Vera. Randy the master grappler couldn’t take Vera down, the one occasion that he did, Vera just got back up again. Vera landed several leg kicks that hurt Randy. Those should count for points. Randy won a close 1st round, but i think Vera won the last two rounds. The athletic commision is corrupt. No way should that have been a unanimous decision. Bullshit!
November 15th, 2009 at 11:33 amWow there are some real idiots here, if you think Vera was robbed. i’ll say it was close, and I don’t know how to score it. Randy took round one, and Vera two. The Third round was tough to judge. Overall Randy showed octagon control and aggression, but Vera did well as well and had the mount, but did nothing in ti so it’s hard to judge, i might give it to Randy, or even a draw, but no way in hell, was Vera Robbed.
November 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pmThank you you are the only one here who understands the rules and the judging. Randy won! Close but he won.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm@Thumder –
November 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmyou’re an idiot. randy controled the fight. vera couldn’t stand on his feet when it was over.
it was close but randys strategie has to be taken in consideration and it did.
@Randommmaguy –
November 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pmWell said. Yes, definitely close, but in no way was Vera robbed. I gave Randy two rounds and Vera one. Scoring system isn’t perfect, but it wasn’t robbery. Close fight.
Many of you are confused between a boring fight, which I think was interesting by the way, and efficiency. Randy Couture has explained his game plan before the fight: wrestling, wrestling and more wrestling, let’s go back to the source.
November 15th, 2009 at 4:51 pmHow many times did Vera’s coach tell him to get the fuck out the fence? Answer this question football fanswannabeufcspecialist.
Brando Vera was physically ran down by Randy Couture, and he could not escape the clinch and he could not finish him and he could not breath anymore.
Yes it might have been a boring fight, but experience and strategy prevailed .
RANDY PERFECT GAME PLAN MY MAN…and I apologize for those ignorant pricks who think that wrestling is not a part of mma.
I am waitting for the fight SANCHEZ vs BLOW JAW PENN
November 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pmSanchez is my man.
@Tenbears – All I have to say is that your ass is about 9 bears short of a 10 pack, once again we have the conspiracy RETARDS weighing in with the typical Dana/UFC fight fixing bullshit rhetoric. In case you didn’t know, fight fixing is a federal crime and the UFC would basically collapse if they would ever think of doing something so painfully stupid just to set up another PPV fight. There’s ZERO to gain from such an absurd notion that making a Couture/Machida match materialize would produce billions $$$.
Your less than intelligent post actually contradicts itself, you say that Randy employed a particular strategy and he was successful in doing so, yet in the very next sentence you said he wasn’t trying to win the fight. You say: “His strategy was to tire Vera out so he couldn’t throw his hands in the later rounds. Randy achieved that But he wasn’t actually trying to win”. How ass backwards is that?!
But of course, in your view, this was an anounced title eliminator bout that would’ve determined the next opponent for Machida, which is so asinine because neither are nowhere near title contention, not to mention the obvious fact that Machida still has to get by Shogun for a second time. Yes Randy is loved, but nobody is interested in him fighting for the title ulness he gets through some of the guys who are in direct line for it.
And for the rest of the random RETARDS suggesting that kicks don’t score (or should score) equally to punches or do damage when landed, should leave MMA and stick to boxing websites. A strike is a strike and they all do damage, whether it’s an elbow that opens up a cut, a knee to the body or head from the Muy Thai clinch, or a debilitating punch to the solar plexus, they all can end a fight.
That’s the definition of MMA, some disciplines are strikes from leg kicks. Should some of the countless fights that were won by kicks be reversed because they just don’t count?
Rashad Evans vs Sean Salmon
Mirko Cro Cop vs Gabrial Gonzaga
Tim Sylvia vs Tra Telligman
Chuck Liddell vs Renato Sobral
Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns
Mirko Cro Cop vs 90% of his opponents
ECT, ECT, ECT
November 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pmA fight can be 3 rounds of pure stand up, wrestling against the fence or ground game. It’s all legal, but if neither fighter advances in his position (wrestling/clinch or ground game) the ref. stands them up again. I beleive that Randy wanted to make Vera gas and take him in the third round. But even if i’m wrong, that’s not what happend.
They were both too good at their takedown deffence so this wasn’t much of a grapling/submission fight in the sense that they were not close to 5 armbars or 10 triangle chokes. Vera wanted to have a stand up fight, but Randy denied him that, but Randy couldn’t finish him off in the end either. Vera denied him that. So the whole thing ends up looking like Vera wants to fight stand up and (it looks like) Randy doesn’t want to fight, but just keep him up against the cage.
I beleive that fighters should try and end it themselves and never leave it up to the judgedes and I think they both wanted to do exactly that. The whole “you have to beat a champ to become a champ” is bs. If there are any points on the scorecard and you are behind before the match has begone, then there is something wrong. I don’t think pushing a guy up against the fence is octagon controle. I don’t even think Randy beleives that. I think that was the first part of Randy’s strategy and Vera denied Randy the second part so he couldn’t win by submission, ground and pound or whatever. The result is a close and uninterresting match.
I enjoy the submission almost as much as the tko’s, but wrestling and the damage done in the clinch is just one way of getting to the submission or tko later on. I’m not saying that wrestling isn’t important, but you have never heard: “The referee put a stop to this fight in the second round by wrestling”. So if you’re not going to let the judges decide you better be able to get to the second part of your stratigy or you end up looking like Randy. Vera ends up looking like the guy who wanted to be able to finish in all ronds.
Maybe Randy won. I can’t score a fight myself, but the difference in skills and strategy made this a boring match. I want to be entertained.
November 16th, 2009 at 4:23 amI agree with Jon Anik, a draw / 引き分け
November 16th, 2009 at 8:03 amall i can say is brandon vera had the ability 2
beat randy…and silva ..the only problem is he is 2 relaxed and content with falling in the clinch ..he was doing a far amount of damage with the kicks and it looked almost even with trades he jus needed to be less content with closing the gap stepping back n continue to have thrown blows and he would of maybe pulled of that decision perhaps got him self another k.o. on his record…
congrats to randy for holding his own and making fast recovery on some viscous blows ..judges score cards can always go any way ..thats why its like brandon said to be the champ you have to beat the champ..he beat on him but he didnt stop him or make it a convincing enough defeat so its all a flip of the coin from there…ohh well
November 16th, 2009 at 5:55 pmwhat d f u ck..who were these judges f uc ki ng unfair..its a vera winning ..this is absolutely bias and ridiculous.UFC judges SUCKS..boxing is far more better at this point. KiLL those judges..
November 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pmcouture want to wrestle but he’s ineffective o common people you witness d fight..it totally bias..FUCK UFC judges
November 16th, 2009 at 7:30 pmlol boxing has better judges =]] ?? in no way does boxing have better judges one of the latest robbings in a fight
Paulie “Magic Man” Malignaggi” and the “Baby Bull” Juan Diaz ..that fight was a robbed decision.. judges going for diaz to win when he got worked almost all rounds…
Lennox Lewis-Holyfield 1 way old but still a robbing lol ..there are plenty of others..when it comes to the judges like i said before its like the flip of a coin it could go any way no matter how the turn out of a fight seems in either or organizations…
November 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pmfor all says that randy wins.. you are all wrong, vera won,. 30,27 30,27 30,27.-
November 17th, 2009 at 12:13 amrandy hugs, but brandon was kiicking, theirs a problem in UFC right nOw.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:16 am@The Karate Kid – octagon control? just hugging en kissing your opponent thats octagon control? i like randy. but i think thats bull shit, randy don’t even pin down vera.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:29 am@jopesky – you obviously must be a wanna be boxing fan because in the world MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! that hugging and kissing is essential to winning and being successful, if u want just plain stand up go watch boxing and leave us alone, OH and another thing, FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO REALLLY BELIEVE VERA WON BECAUSE OF SOME DAMN BODY KICKS,you are sadly mistaken, watch the 1st round and the 3rd round all over again, cotoure landed more blows than vera when they exchanged and he also control him in wrestling and reversed him more times up against the cage. thats what octagon control is about vera, had the mount once and randy got through it at the ripe age of 46! and got up off the ground and came back to strike and take control, thats one of the main things that won randy this fight, all u wanna be MMA fans need to go study up on a few things then come back with a little more knowledge
November 17th, 2009 at 6:52 amif ur able to hold your opponent against there will in the fight like randy did vera thats considered by many to be known as ring control lol i know to the fans who are only taken by a more rounded mixed style fight..are not really going to understand how randy could have won but its mma u can chose to hold ur opponent at bay with the clinch n greko roman wrestling it scores in his favor because u have to look at it like this was brandon able to free himself the majority of times ?? no he wasnt and even if u look at it like ok maybe he wanted to stay in the clinch game ..was he able to capitalize no he truthfully wasnt randy had complete control showing his ability to keep brandon there and in reverse showing he was able to get out and capitalize when brandon had him in reverse ..so randy wins
November 17th, 2009 at 11:15 amThis was Vera’s fight without a doubt, he just got simply robbed. Couture did nothing really other than hold, and if anything a few albows, I’ve been loosing alot of interest in the UFC lately, and now with the way these fights are being scored, forget it, just straightout weak…
November 18th, 2009 at 7:16 amOnly one fighter was hurt in the fight.. Randy. I can’t say Vera was “robbed” because it wasn’t that clean cut but i definitely think Vera clearly won.. You can say Randy controlled the fight through clinching but whats control without hurting the opponent?? UFC should take a look at the way fights are judged because this means a fighter can clinch for 5 rounds without hurting or gettin his opponent down and win the fight???
November 18th, 2009 at 9:43 amOh and Rogan needs to stop licking Randys balls…
November 18th, 2009 at 9:53 amdont go straight into his guard vera! nooo!!! dang.. vera could have made some better choices. totally shouldve just sniped couture with strikes.. oh well
November 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pmi know exactly my point dirty D lol
thats why he lost 2 tim sylva he could of beat him also but
some fighters are just the way they are i guess
November 18th, 2009 at 11:39 pmthis fight could go either way but lets just say that vera does not match up with couture very well. hes still a threat to the fighters who are better than couture though. vera just looked very lean and weak against couture. yes, technique overcomes power but it’s a whole different story if you are going up against couture who is physically and mentally strong. vera wasnt able to use his advantages simply because couture just out muscled him.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:04 am@mikkyg –
I think it was obvious that Vera hurt couture when he went down in the second round due to a knee to the chest. I did not see Couture do any damage at all to Vera. I dunno if the refs were watching the same match that I was????
December 5th, 2009 at 2:12 amVera is robbed !!! actually i am now tired of watching UFC , because they are not creating a clean result … And if you notice the referee is not separating them everytime Randy push Brandon in the fence without doing nothing "" Thats right all Randy have to do is to survive and he will win the match " scripted !
December 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pmI'm sure vera was holding back, He had alot of respect for couture since he is his idol. =
January 7th, 2010 at 2:09 pmRandy controlled Vera throughout most of the fight. Vera did really well during the few moments that Randy was not controlling him, but that is not enough to win over a good judge. This is one time that I agree with the judges. It was a boring fight but fighting is about controlling the other guy and Randy did that well.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 amI love couture but he is overrated….plus vera got robbed…..too much politics
February 5th, 2010 at 12:16 amthe fight was particularly exicitng but overall randy couture handled like he usually handles
February 21st, 2010 at 12:16 amBS! There was times Brandon looked like he could have taken him out but for respect for the poor man, He kept the partying going. Maybe the fight wasn't fixed; brandon just didn't put enough shots in to take him out.
March 11th, 2010 at 1:22 pmVera WON IMO…
March 21st, 2010 at 9:49 amRandy first round
VERA round 2 decisively with knockdown and Round 3 was pretty fuckin even.
But I still would of given it to VERA with the takedown of Randy (which is pretty good in itself to do).
VERA the winner… ah well he'll beat Mr Jones tomorrow ;p
The UFC doesn't put judges anywhere. It also doesn't put referees anywhere.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:42 amJust to be clear, we call it a "fight" but it's a competition which features martial arts and fighting forms against each other. Overall, a combination of styles is used to defeat somebody else. Randy Couture is a Greco-Roman wrestler and everybody is surprised when he uses that fighting style against powerful strikers.
The game plan was obviously to push him against the fence, wear him down, and go for a take down. The problem in that strategy is that Brandon Vera is also a Greco guy and was able to defend the take down attempts against the fence.
Cause damage on two or three different occasions but spend the majority of the fight pushed up against the fence helpless and you're going to lose. Everyone wanted Vera to win because he came in swinging and clipped Randy a few times but the fact remains that his style and game plan failed where Randy Couture's game plan was overly successful: he controlled Vera for the majority of three rounds.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:47 amThe entire fight isn't scored by hurting your opponents. Where do you people get this stupid logic? It was obviously a unanimous decision in that all three judges agreed that Randy Couture won the fight using wrestling control. It doesn't mean he won all three rounds.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:49 amNo, you don't score fights. Thank god for that. Being entertaining is NOT A WAY OF WINNING A GODDAMNED FIGHT.
If Randy held Brandon on the ground and pinned him there for three rounds, that would be ground control. If Brandon kept the fight at a distance and controlled the fight with strikes, that would be a form of control.
So by this logic, how is Randy doing exactly what his Greco Roman wrestling is known for- pushing Vera against the fence- NOT a form of control? He was CONTROLLING Brandon Vera. He was CONTROLLING him.
This is why MMA fans are considered retards.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:55 amThere are no UFC judges. Go back to school, learn how to write in English, and then return and start studying about the athletic commission.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:56 amAgain, there are no UFC judges. Greco Roman wrestling is all about standing control aka pushing a guy against the fence. He wanted to keep the fight in the clinch and work for take downs and he did exactly that although the take downs didn't happen because Vera trained extensively in the clinch for that match.
Very very effective at controlling Vera.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:57 amThis is why you don't score fights.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:57 amYou're clearly an uneducated fight fan that thinks MMA is kickboxing and Jujitsu only. Go enjoy your tin foil affliction shirt and beer pong come fight night and leave the logic and thinking to the educated fans.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:58 amThen go watch boxing. That's clearly all you're interested in. Or K-1 fights.
Without a doubt.
May 24th, 2010 at 4:59 amControl has nothing to do with hurting the opponent. It has to do with controlling the opponent.
Striking is about hurting the opponent. Learn the difference before you make an ass out of yourself.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:00 amAnd you need to stop licking Vera's balls.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:00 amThey were watching mixed martial arts not a street fight. Not a K-1 fight. They were watching wrestling overpower muay Thai.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:01 amPlease, god, go back to boxing then. We need less uneducated fans that just want to see two guys punching each other to death.
No shit the referee didn't separate them every two minutes. Again, this isn't a boxing match. The referee allowed Randy to use his fighting form (Wrestling, you might have heard of it. Maybe not.). As it turns out, Brandon Vera is also an experienced Greco Roman wrestler and couldn't do jack shit against Randy except tag him a couple of times before taking another nap against the fence.
Randy clearly won the fight by using proper technique and control. If all you had to do to win a fight was hit the guy a few times, Kimbo Slice would still be in the UFC.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:04 amWrong twice in a row, nice man. Nobody cares if you and a slew of other uneducated mixed martial arts fans think Vera won a fight where he was clinched and controlled for three straight rounds.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:05 amTrust me, if Vera could have won he would have. But he couldn't. And he didn't.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:05 amIt's more like this, Hehe: The UFC went mainstream and attracted a bunch of new fans. Many of these new fans fit the "young male" demographic. These young male fans want to see blood shed, violence, and guys getting beat up and taken out on stretchers.
Unfortunately for them, not every martial art and fight style on the planet involves punching and kicking to survive. Whenever one of these non-striking styles wins a decision, suddenly it's a robbery! Oh no!
Do us all a favor: Go get yourself another foil-skull t-shirt and shut the fuck up.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:07 amI'm glad you exist. You prove to me that I'm not the only one with a brain on this website.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:08 amYes. He resisted the opportunity to create a massive amount of hype for himself and potentially work his way towards a title shot and a huge paying fight contract because he respects Randy Couture.
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