Comments on: WEC 43: Donald Cerrone vs. Benson Henderson – fight video

By: PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE

PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:04:07 +0000

@Mike - Nice thorough analysis, but we got the point the first time you posted it, no need to copy it over and over.

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By: Peter Hardwood

Peter Hardwood — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:26:53 +0000

Originally Posted By frank demicheligreat fight! i think the desicion was fine.... i hate people who doesnt car about the fight an post comments to probe if theyre good mma fans or not..... fuck you stupid....this space is to post comments on the fight ...

I hate people who beat around the bush and can't man up enough to reply to that person. I also hate it when people comment without using proper grammar and punctuation marks. "doesnt car" "an post" "probe if theyre good mma fans or not" LOL! And you are calling me stupid? You are too funny!!!!!

Reply | Originally Posted By frank demicheli<\/a>great fight! i think the desicion was fine.... i hate people who doesnt car about the fight an post comments to probe if theyre good mma fans or not..... fuck you stupid....this space is to post comments on the fight ...<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nI hate people who beat around the bush and can\'t man up enough to reply to that person. I also hate it when people comment without using proper grammar and punctuation marks. \r\n\r\n\"doesnt car\"\r\n\"an post\"\r\n\"probe if theyre good mma fans or not\"\r\n\r\nLOL! And you are calling me stupid? You are too funny!!!!!'); return false;"> Quote

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:26:07 +0000

Well it seems everyone agrees rds 2 and 3 Henderson won with Cerrone taking 4 and 5 So lets break down the 1st for all the skeptics out there that just can’t seem to get over the fact that those TWO submissions didn’t work.

Henderson:
Has Cerrone agianst the fence TWICE pushing the action
1 Takedown attempt
2 Submission escapes
1 knee and 1 head kick
1 Takedown with dominate postion for 2 minutes
Throwing around 50 strikes Landing the majority.
1 Leg kick and a few punches while standing

Cerrone:
1 head kick missed
2 submission attempts lasting 1min 40 sec.
0 strikes rom the bottom during SUBMISSION attempts
A few up kicks that didn’t land
A few standing punches and a leg kick

Note: I realize not all strikes landed or were damaging for EITHER fighter.

Just on time alone Henderson controlled the majority of the rd. Now add in the strikes.
Henderson wins the RD…….

All the sub. attempts did was give Cerrone control for that 1 min and 40 sec. THATS IT!!!!! Just cause Frank Mir gets excited about sub. attempts and says someones in trouble doesn’t make it true….
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By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:23:02 +0000

Cerrone:
1 head kick missed
2 submission attempts lasting 1min 40 sec.
0 strikes rom the bottom during SUBMISSION attempts
A few up kicks that didn’t land
A few standing punches and a leg kick

Note: I realize not all strikes landed or were damaging for EITHER fighter.

Just on time alone Henderson controlled the majority of the rd. Now add in the strikes.
Henderson wins the RD…….

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By: Peter Hardwood

Peter Hardwood — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:17:45 +0000

Originally Posted By mikeJust to let you guys know the UFC and the WEC are in the same company. Zuffa owns both. UFC and WEC are subsidiaries of the same company, which is why they both use the octagon. There are so many great fighters that it is easy to have both companies survive at the same time. Zuffa also bought Pride as it was going under which is why Pride fighters have surfaced in the UFC. This is also why some fighters go from one to the other. So to say the WEC is wack that would make the UFC wack.

Wow Mike, thanks for wasting your time writing this comment.......Of coarse Zuffa owns UFC, WEC, and Pride. If they didn't, it would be very bad marketing decision to advertise WEC on the UFC website, not to mention selling Pride shirts. Please note that you are the one putting words in my mouth about the UFC being "wack" along side of WEC. Think twice before you try to make others look as ridicules as you just made yourself look! People feel free to drop it anytime soon. Your attempts to belittle me as a person and discredit my MMA loyalty can only be entertaining for so long, before it starts to get old. Remember one thing.....you DO NOT know me. (this is your que to say, "I wouldn't want to know you"). Well the feeling is mutual. Just like you, I'm also granted an opinion!

Reply | Originally Posted By mike<\/a>Just to let you guys know the UFC and the WEC are in the same company. Zuffa owns both. UFC and WEC are subsidiaries of the same company, which is why they both use the octagon. There are so many great fighters that it is easy to have both companies survive at the same time. Zuffa also bought Pride as it was going under which is why Pride fighters have surfaced in the UFC. This is also why some fighters go from one to the other. So to say the WEC is wack that would make the UFC wack.<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nWow Mike, thanks for wasting your time writing this comment.......Of coarse Zuffa owns UFC, WEC, and Pride. If they didn\'t, it would be very bad marketing decision to advertise WEC on the UFC website, not to mention selling Pride shirts. Please note that you are the one putting words in my mouth about the UFC being \"wack\" along side of WEC. \r\n\r\nThink twice before you try to make others look as ridicules as you just made yourself look!\r\n\r\nPeople feel free to drop it anytime soon. Your attempts to belittle me as a person and discredit my MMA loyalty can only be entertaining for so long, before it starts to get old. Remember one thing.....you DO NOT know me.\r\n (this is your que to say, \"I wouldn\'t want to know you\"). \r\nWell the feeling is mutual. Just like you, I\'m also granted an opinion!'); return false;"> Quote

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:36:38 +0000

Well it seems everyone agrees rds 2 and 3 Henderson won with Cerrone taking 4 and 5 So lets break down the 1st for all the skeptics out there that just can't seem to get over the fact that those TWO submissions didn't work. Henderson: Has Cerrone agianst the fence TWICE pushing the action 1 Takedown attempt 2 Submission escapes 1 knee and 1 head kick 1 Takedown with dominate postion for 2 minutes Throwing around 50 strikes Landing the majority. 1 Leg kick and a few punches while standing Cerrone: 1 head kick missed 2 submission attempts lasting 1min 40 sec. 0 strikes rom the bottom during SUBMISSION attempts A few up kicks that didn't land A few standing punches and a leg kick Note: I realize not all strikes landed or were damaging for EITHER fighter. Just on time alone Henderson controlled the majority of the rd. Now add in the strikes. Henderson wins the RD....... All the sub. attempts did was give Cerrone control for that 1 min and 40 sec. THATS IT!!!!! Just cause Frank Mir gets excited about sub. attempts and says someones in trouble doesn't make it true....

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By: frank demicheli

frank demicheli — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:40:56 +0000

great fight! i think the desicion was fine.... i hate people who doesnt car about the fight an post comments to probe if theyre good mma fans or not..... fuck you stupid....this space is to post comments on the fight ...

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By: mike

mike — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:31:39 +0000

i agree with chris that it seems as if Henderson scored more from "escaping" (Cerrone let go) from the submissions than Cerrone did for applying them. Cerrone got robbed and I cant wait to see if there is a rematch. It was a great fight. I enjoyed this fight almost as much as I enjoyed seeing Torres knocked out. Now that Torres lost he will come back even harder and i definitely look forward to seeing him kick some ass.

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By: mike

mike — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:27:13 +0000

Just to let you guys know the UFC and the WEC are in the same company. Zuffa owns both. UFC and WEC are subsidiaries of the same company, which is why they both use the octagon. There are so many great fighters that it is easy to have both companies survive at the same time. Zuffa also bought Pride as it was going under which is why Pride fighters have surfaced in the UFC. This is also why some fighters go from one to the other. So to say the WEC is wack that would make the UFC wack.

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By: chris pole

chris pole — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:44:08 +0000

as if to say that that you credit henderson more for surviving the sub attempts, than you credit donald for applying them?

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By: PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE

PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:48:19 +0000

@geerant - Very well said, I couldn't have said it better myself. It's not necessarily proving or disproving Pete, but just notating respect for a very respectful organization with exceptional lower weight fighters. Just because Varner was 1-1 in the UFC, doesn't discount him as a good fighter. Remember, someone always has to lose and anyone can bounce back, just look at Brock, he lost his UFC debut and was 1-1 when he manhandled a very experienced Heath Herring. Just like when the Pride fighters started coming over to the UFC, you don't know what's going to happen until they fight. There's alot of very good lightweights and the division is certainly stacked, however, like Anderson Silva, BJ Penn is just leaps and bounds above everyone when he's in shape and motivated. Certainly Pete doesn't have to like the lower weight classes and therefore doesn't watch them, and that's perfectly fine, but calling the WEC wac and comparing them to minor league baseball is completely disrespectful. There are many great fighters in those lower divisions as pointed out by Devin, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe Pete had much respect for a former UFC fighter by the name of Leonard Garcia who put on one of the best fights in the history of Ultimate Fight Night against Roger Huerta (an instant classic). Garcia now fights in the WEC because he was just too small to deal with lightweights, but the guy has a heart the size of Texas, as does many of the WEC fighters. Yes Pete, you certainly don't have to like or watch the lower weight classes, nothing wrong with that, but you also don't have to disrespect them, especially if you don't even watch them. It's no different than some of these wanabe's who constantly disrespect, accuse, complain, ect. about everything Dana White and the UFC does wrong, yet they continue to watch. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Reply | @geerant<\/a> - Very well said, I couldn\'t have said it better myself. It\'s not necessarily proving or disproving Pete, but just notating respect for a very respectful organization with exceptional lower weight fighters. Just because Varner was 1-1 in the UFC, doesn\'t discount him as a good fighter. Remember, someone always has to lose and anyone can bounce back, just look at Brock, he lost his UFC debut and was 1-1 when he manhandled a very experienced Heath Herring. \r\n\r\nJust like when the Pride fighters started coming over to the UFC, you don\'t know what\'s going to happen until they fight. There\'s alot of very good lightweights and the division is certainly stacked, however, like Anderson Silva, BJ Penn is just leaps and bounds above everyone when he\'s in shape and motivated.\r\n\r\nCertainly Pete doesn\'t have to like the lower weight classes and therefore doesn\'t watch them, and that\'s perfectly fine, but calling the WEC wac and comparing them to minor league baseball is completely disrespectful. There are many great fighters in those lower divisions as pointed out by Devin, and if I\'m not mistaken, I believe Pete had much respect for a former UFC fighter by the name of Leonard Garcia who put on one of the best fights in the history of Ultimate Fight Night against Roger Huerta (an instant classic). Garcia now fights in the WEC because he was just too small to deal with lightweights, but the guy has a heart the size of Texas, as does many of the WEC fighters.\r\n\r\nYes Pete, you certainly don\'t have to like or watch the lower weight classes, nothing wrong with that, but you also don\'t have to disrespect them, especially if you don\'t even watch them. It\'s no different than some of these wanabe\'s who constantly disrespect, accuse, complain, ect. about everything Dana White and the UFC does wrong, yet they continue to watch. If you don\'t like it, don\'t watch it.'); return false;"> Quote

By: geerant

geerant — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:57:57 +0000

Good fight right there. Peter Hardwood needs to cool it. Even though he's probably right. But we'll never know until we can actually see fights between guys like Ben Henderson or Donald Cerrone from the WEC against UFC lightweights like BJ Penn, or Joe Stevenson and so on. I hate to prove guys like "Hardwood" right, but Jamie Varner (WEC) is 1-1 in the UFC he lost to Hermes Franca in 2006. Maybe he'd do better now but it's tough to say. But to go and call the WEC the minor league of the UFC is ridiuculous. They're unrelated promotions except for the fact that they're both MMA. It's not like you can go up through the ranks in WEC and then get "called up" like you would going from AAA Minors to Major League Baseball. Don't watch it if you don't want to, but don't call it the "minor league" and tell people to jack off on it, that's just fucken shit talking.

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By: Peter Hardwood!

Peter Hardwood! — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:48:42 +0000

@Devin Miller - You dumb fucking piece of shit! Who in the fuck are you?! "the wec is the ufc just the lower weight classes you dumb fuck.." No shit Sherlock! If I didn't know the obvious, I wouldn't have said "MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL". WEC is the "MINOR LEAGUE OF UFC", smart guy! Read and try to comprehend you ball sucking Fuck! Don't try and challenge me just because I DO NOT LIKE WATCHING LITTLE FUCKS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Why are you so in love with those little boys anyways? WHY MUST I HAVE TO LIKE WEC????? ANSWER THAT FOR ME GENIUS! GO FUCKIN GRAB A BOX OF TISSUES AND WACK OFF TO THE WEC!

Reply | @Devin Miller<\/a> - You dumb fucking piece of shit! Who in the fuck are you?!\r\n\r\n\"the wec is the ufc just the lower weight classes you dumb fuck..\"\r\n\r\nNo shit Sherlock! If I didn\'t know the obvious, I wouldn\'t have said \"MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL\". WEC is the \"MINOR LEAGUE OF UFC\", smart guy!\r\nRead and try to comprehend you ball sucking Fuck!\r\n\r\nDon\'t try and challenge me just because I DO NOT LIKE WATCHING LITTLE FUCKS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Why are you so in love with those little boys anyways? \r\n\r\nWHY MUST I HAVE TO LIKE WEC????? ANSWER THAT FOR ME GENIUS! \r\n\r\nGO FUCKIN GRAB A BOX OF TISSUES AND WACK OFF TO THE WEC!'); return false;"> Quote

By: Devin Miller

Devin Miller — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:52:37 +0000

peter your a ignorant fuck obviously.. the wec is the ufc just the lower weight classes you dumb fuck.. quit comin on sites badmouthin shit you know nothing about... if you knew MMA you could never discredit great new generations mixed martial artist like the great Miguel Torres or Mike Thomas Brown.. or what about Urijah Faber and Brian Bowles.. ohhh yea you got Jose Aldo and Dominike Cruz.. and the great up and coming lightweights Jamie Varner, Ben Henderson, and Donald Cerrone. any of them 3 could fight the top of the division in the UFC.. the WEC puts on credible shows every time there on.. so shut the fuck up, if anything your argument should be the WEC should unite with the UFC.. why not just make it all the UFC plenty of shows to do it... and people like Miguel Torres, Mike Brown, Urijah Faber, and Brian Bowles should be fighting on PPV.. Those guys are amazing!!

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By: Peter Hardwood

Peter Hardwood — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:31:36 +0000

Originally Posted By PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE @Peter Hardwood - C'mon Pete, you need to watch this fight, saying the WEC is Wac questions my respect for your credibility as respectable MMA fan. This was a great tough fight that would rival any lightweight action packed UFC non title (or interim) fight. I think the fighter who won the last round should've won the fight and it was close, but I did score it for Henderson. The transitions were great and I don't know how Benson got out of some of those arm bars without having it ripped out of his socket is beyond me. Great fight and much respect for both fighters!

Just because I don't enjoy watching WEC, that makes me a questionable MMA fan? I'm sorry you feel that way (far from the truth though). I don't care for the WEC as I don't care for Minor league baseball. That's the way my shallow heart feels.....no love!

Reply | Originally Posted By PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE<\/a>@Peter Hardwood<\/a> - C\'mon Pete, you need to watch this fight, saying the WEC is Wac questions my respect for your credibility as respectable MMA fan. This was a great tough fight that would rival any lightweight action packed UFC non title (or interim) fight.\r\n\r\nI think the fighter who won the last round should\'ve won the fight and it was close, but I did score it for Henderson. The transitions were great and I don\'t know how Benson got out of some of those arm bars without having it ripped out of his socket is beyond me.\r\n\r\nGreat fight and much respect for both fighters!<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nJust because I don\'t enjoy watching WEC, that makes me a questionable MMA fan? I\'m sorry you feel that way (far from the truth though). I don\'t care for the WEC as I don\'t care for Minor league baseball. That\'s the way my shallow heart feels.....no love!'); return false;"> Quote

By: PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE

PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:37:53 +0000

@Peter Hardwood - C'mon Pete, you need to watch this fight, saying the WEC is Wac questions my respect for your credibility as respectable MMA fan. This was a great tough fight that would rival any lightweight action packed UFC non title (or interim) fight. I think the fighter who won the last round should've won the fight and it was close, but I did score it for Henderson. The transitions were great and I don't know how Benson got out of some of those arm bars without having it ripped out of his socket is beyond me. Great fight and much respect for both fighters!

Reply | @Peter Hardwood<\/a> - C\'mon Pete, you need to watch this fight, saying the WEC is Wac questions my respect for your credibility as respectable MMA fan. This was a great tough fight that would rival any lightweight action packed UFC non title (or interim) fight.\r\n\r\nI think the fighter who won the last round should\'ve won the fight and it was close, but I did score it for Henderson. The transitions were great and I don\'t know how Benson got out of some of those arm bars without having it ripped out of his socket is beyond me.\r\n\r\nGreat fight and much respect for both fighters!'); return false;"> Quote

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Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:20:22 +0000

[...] of WEC main events that could be considered 2009’s Fight of the Year; if you missed it, click here. Henderson will now take on Cerrone’s old nemesis Jamie Varner at a WEC event to be named [...]

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By: Peter Hardwood

Peter Hardwood — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:20:16 +0000

Thank you guys for watching this fight for me. I didn't have time to watch a 40 minute fight. From the comments, I guess I didn't miss much. WEC is WAC!

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By: adam

adam — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:19:01 +0000

at least i would expect split decision..not unanimous dicision.....

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By: guy

guy — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:48:17 +0000

Not to take ANYTHING away from Donald but....Donald's tough allright. knockout shot eaten, and knee bounces right back. my respect. Surviving a tight guillotine for more than what the brain can survive without air or blood with a back to back triangle...those are THE most powerful and effective chokes in mma, the only thing that would have made that triangle more deadly would have been if Donald had made an angle and squeezed with his hamstrings and quads rather than his abductors. Just count the submission attempts, they were 5, FIVE close subs including a bunch of twisting omaplatas Sorry Donald, you are tough, but Henderson just rewrote the meaning of tough, and then took a step beyond that.

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By: andrew

andrew — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:43:57 +0000

Donald is the toughest motherfucker in that division. As for the decision they always favor the top position even if he is stuck in a submission which is a little weird but Ben was droppin bombs on that nigga

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By: john gideones

john gideones — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:02:54 +0000

Cerrone lost .. he didn't do enough. He needs to put his ridiculous cowboy hat on and shut his mouth.

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By: adam

adam — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:38:30 +0000

wat the f.....im not fan of donald cerrone but he won the fight...i think judges should go and take some mma classes ro smth like dat,

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